tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9984802.post111917143021318751..comments2023-10-25T03:49:39.690+13:00Comments on Red in Roskill: KyotoMichael Woodhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03238158356210379837noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9984802.post-1119354403989740152005-06-21T23:46:00.000+12:002005-06-21T23:46:00.000+12:00Instead of potentially sending 700 million dollars...Instead of potentially sending 700 million dollars per year (from 2008 to 2027) to Kyoto. How about spending a lesser and more affordable amount to plant new forests, setup waste enviro incinerator/power plants, research better pollution control technologies, recycle more waste products, offer tax cuts to businesses which lessen their pollution. Basically become the World leader in pollution reduction policies and technologies. At the moment the Kyoto protocol makes NZ look like a big scale polluter. Which consequently damages our clean green image.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9984802.post-1119335503874893022005-06-21T18:31:00.000+12:002005-06-21T18:31:00.000+12:00The right are all very good at pointing out proble...The right are all very good at pointing out problems with our Kyoto committments as you see them, but pretty thin on what you think the answers to this serious global issue are.Michael Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03238158356210379837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9984802.post-1119319900254793862005-06-21T14:11:00.000+12:002005-06-21T14:11:00.000+12:00It gets much worse, has anyone read the below medi...It gets much worse, has anyone read the below media report on NZ carbon tax estimates to 2027?<BR/><BR/>"The revelation of the officials' mistakes comes a week after a report by consultancy firm Castalia was released. It argued that the Government should provide for an estimated future liability of $9b to $14b under the Kyoto Protocol."<BR/><BR/>http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3316228a7693,00.html<BR/><BR/>At 14 billion from 2008 to 2027 that works out to be 700 million per year for 20 years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9984802.post-1119265288118972222005-06-20T23:01:00.000+12:002005-06-20T23:01:00.000+12:00Few disagree that the Carbon that has been sequest...Few disagree that the Carbon that has been sequestered for a long time is being released through human action. To stop this is why the rest of the developed world is quietly reconsidering nuclear power. There is no consensus on the effect of that change in carbon sequestration. The earth has had warm cycles before and mankind survived. In my teens (30 odd years ago) the big climate worry was another ice age.<BR/>I think you will find the sceptics are more than a couple of Bushies and an oil magnate. Parenthetically, if I believe the Greens the oil will run out soon so problem halted?Too Right and Having A Blasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03806669111393946508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9984802.post-1119255595767559192005-06-20T20:19:00.000+12:002005-06-20T20:19:00.000+12:00A couple of quick points:The contention that clima...A couple of quick points:<BR/><BR/>The contention that climate change is "junk science" is without real basis. The only people dealing in "junk science" are people like Bush's former environmental advisor and oil industry bigshot who recently had to quit for falsely altering scientific evidence about global warming in official reports.<BR/><BR/>Even Bush now concedes that climate change is a reality!<BR/><BR/>More on the lack of evidence behind the claims of climate change deniers at: http://publicaddress.net/default,2247.sm#post2247Michael Woodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03238158356210379837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9984802.post-1119240564905587282005-06-20T16:09:00.000+12:002005-06-20T16:09:00.000+12:00Read today's Press Editorial [support for withdr...Read today's <A HREF="http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/thepress/0,2106,3318500a6528,00.html" REL="nofollow"> Press Editorial</A> [support for withdrawing from Kyoto] laying the blame firmly at the feet of the Government - or, more accurately, Pete Hodgson, the Energy Minister. It was his responsibility to get the calculations right. Not only did he fail to do so but he advocated our participation in the convention, largely, on the carbon credits coming our way."Too Right and Having A Blasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03806669111393946508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9984802.post-1119235172875035192005-06-20T14:39:00.000+12:002005-06-20T14:39:00.000+12:00It is funny how the wind changes - and how so quic...It is funny how the wind changes - and how so quick. Don't give up your day job Michael - I think your mob are on the run.Too Right and Having A Blasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03806669111393946508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9984802.post-1119225947284318242005-06-20T12:05:00.000+12:002005-06-20T12:05:00.000+12:00The jury is well out on the concensus rate and abs...The jury is well out on the concensus rate and absolute level of mean surface temperature for the world. See <A HREF="http://www.junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Kyoto_Count_Up.htm" REL="nofollow">global warming</A> They indicate a rise in temperature of 0.9C by 2078 on current trends.<BR/><BR/>"The warmest April, April 1998, was 0.75 C warmer than normal as a result of the massive El Nino of that year,"..."Over the entire 317 months (26 years and 5 months) since the satellite record began, April 2005 was the 15th warmest month."<BR/><BR/>April 2005 also saw a slight "bump" in the long-term global temperature<BR/>trend, with the decadal trend nudging up from 0.085 C to 0.09 C of warming per decade over the past 26 years (and five months). During that time the climate has warmed a total of about 0.23 C, or approximately 0.43 degrees Fahrenheit.<BR/><BR/>If that trend continued for a complete century, Earth's climate would warm by about 0.9 C (about 1.62 degrees F) by November 16, 2078.Too Right and Having A Blasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03806669111393946508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9984802.post-1119224308818479022005-06-20T11:38:00.000+12:002005-06-20T11:38:00.000+12:00First up - there is a lot of junk science supporti...First up - there is a lot of junk science supporting the notion of global warming - The eruptions of Pinatubo, Krakatoa (and probably Taupo) alone put more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than humankind's total GH gas emissions. Second the undeveloped world couldn't give a rat's about this while they despair at the developed world ever providing the development and investment capital that really matters - electricity, potable water, sanitation, transport, infrastructure and employment.These are the difference between abject poverty, misery, early death and the chance to make something for themselves and their families.Too Right and Having A Blasthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03806669111393946508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9984802.post-1119207158210096992005-06-20T06:52:00.000+12:002005-06-20T06:52:00.000+12:00It gets paid by relating economic investment to en...It gets paid by relating economic investment to environmental sustainability. That's the idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9984802.post-1119178526933062562005-06-19T22:55:00.000+12:002005-06-19T22:55:00.000+12:00Funny how it takes 3 years for some people to find...Funny how it takes 3 years for some people to find out that I have changed party affilliation.<BR/><BR/>Funny also how you have completely ignored the fact that Labour have disastrously misrepresented the consequences of the Kyoto protocol to NZ citizens - neglecting the scale of the costs to NZers to pay for carbon credits as if they are the only environmental indicator that matters. Labour clearly said that NZ would be better off financially for the Kyoto Protocol - that is clearly a lie.<BR/><BR/>It is a supreme irony that we are paying Russia for carbon dioxide emissions when Russia has such a poor record on radioactive waste and recycling.Aaron Bhatnagarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06359690269570060896noreply@blogger.com